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	<title>Comments for Paul Holstein at Web Analytics Demystified</title>
	<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What to do if your company is failing by Laurie Miles</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/13/what-to-do-if-your-company-is-failing/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, this was a well written and well thought out article.  Thanks for expounding on the issue. It is very difficult to be in the position of knowing what will help with traffic and not being listened to.

One of my other hats is that of QA, so I feel obligated to point out that your link to Eric Peterson is broken due to extra characters at the end. Did Eric pay you to do that? *smile*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, this was a well written and well thought out article.  Thanks for expounding on the issue. It is very difficult to be in the position of knowing what will help with traffic and not being listened to.</p>
<p>One of my other hats is that of QA, so I feel obligated to point out that your link to Eric Peterson is broken due to extra characters at the end. Did Eric pay you to do that? *smile*</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analyzing Layoffs (From a Business Owner&#8217;s Perspective) by Lars Leonhard Drachmann</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/12/analyzing-layoffs-from-a-business-owners-perspective/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Leonhard Drachmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/12/analyzing-layoffs-from-a-business-owners-perspective/#comment-208</guid>
		<description>I was recently at the emetrics 2008 in DC and I met a Web Analyst there. As I was vacationing in New York after the conference she asked me hang out.
So when we did meet a couple of days later she had received the pink slip. 
There is no point to this story, except maybe the wakeup call it gave me.

So I guess the key thing here is to prove your importance BEFORE you get laid off ;)

And honestly if a company is downsizing by the hundreds or even thousands, I don't think being capable Web Analyst is necessarily enough.

Here's to hoping the panic on the stock market will subside soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently at the emetrics 2008 in DC and I met a Web Analyst there. As I was vacationing in New York after the conference she asked me hang out.<br />
So when we did meet a couple of days later she had received the pink slip.<br />
There is no point to this story, except maybe the wakeup call it gave me.</p>
<p>So I guess the key thing here is to prove your importance BEFORE you get laid off <img src='http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And honestly if a company is downsizing by the hundreds or even thousands, I don&#8217;t think being capable Web Analyst is necessarily enough.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to hoping the panic on the stock market will subside soon!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do we still need Omniture? by Lars Leonhard Drachmann</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/07/why-do-we-still-need-omniture/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Leonhard Drachmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/07/why-do-we-still-need-omniture/#comment-207</guid>
		<description>Hi

I am a Web Analyst through 2 years in one of the largest financial institutions in Scandinavia. And we use Omniture's SiteCatalyst.

I personally find a lot of problems with Omniture. I have 20+ bug reports with them that are never fixed. I get the run around for months - some since the spring - without any bug fixes to more than a select few bugs.
I spend way too much time chasing up these problems.

I am starting to look more and more into what Google Analytics are using.

One thing I will disagree with you about Paul is that the Excel Client is super useful. I make a lot of detailed campaign reports in Excel and I can update them by the click of a button (when it works hehe). So mostly this is very useful for me as I can describe visitor flow and sign ups in complex patterns through for example a flash and just click one button for an update. And I make many such updates over time.

I am new to GA but looking into it lately I find that there seem to be a lack of custom variables. This is a big concern as I have designed a lot of custom variables and capture a lot of custom stuff in Omniture.

But if Omniture is not improving their customer service (which today for me is almost non existant) - I could potentially be a Google Analytics user 1-3 years from now. I am even working on double tracking in GA beginning next spring - to get historic data in case we do such a transition later on.

Some of the bugs I have found in Omniture lately includes: Paid vs. Natural search not working for months. ClickMap is not working for me in Firefox and had no luck in IE on Vista either. Which means my organisation can't use it. Also I find the dashboards (which are the bread and butter of the reports I distribute) to be faulty in many smaller ways: metrics not written clearly - percentages in columns not making sense to the user, the text elements to dashboards are not working at all through many months (which means no explanation of metrics or anything as I can't add text to the report), metrics not aligned in the total column etc.
Other bugs include: next page reports not showing the focus page and email distribution is limited to 255 characters, so some people on the list are cut off - try explain that to an organisation.

I could go on for hours.

One more point: I lack integration of the Omniture tools. For example I don't have access in Excel to advanced tools like DataWarehouse or Discover. I would much rather have one tool with more integration.

So while I do feel Omniture is still the leader and the company that can do all the stuff I need right now - I am certainly keeping my eye out for a future replacement..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I am a Web Analyst through 2 years in one of the largest financial institutions in Scandinavia. And we use Omniture&#8217;s SiteCatalyst.</p>
<p>I personally find a lot of problems with Omniture. I have 20+ bug reports with them that are never fixed. I get the run around for months - some since the spring - without any bug fixes to more than a select few bugs.<br />
I spend way too much time chasing up these problems.</p>
<p>I am starting to look more and more into what Google Analytics are using.</p>
<p>One thing I will disagree with you about Paul is that the Excel Client is super useful. I make a lot of detailed campaign reports in Excel and I can update them by the click of a button (when it works hehe). So mostly this is very useful for me as I can describe visitor flow and sign ups in complex patterns through for example a flash and just click one button for an update. And I make many such updates over time.</p>
<p>I am new to GA but looking into it lately I find that there seem to be a lack of custom variables. This is a big concern as I have designed a lot of custom variables and capture a lot of custom stuff in Omniture.</p>
<p>But if Omniture is not improving their customer service (which today for me is almost non existant) - I could potentially be a Google Analytics user 1-3 years from now. I am even working on double tracking in GA beginning next spring - to get historic data in case we do such a transition later on.</p>
<p>Some of the bugs I have found in Omniture lately includes: Paid vs. Natural search not working for months. ClickMap is not working for me in Firefox and had no luck in IE on Vista either. Which means my organisation can&#8217;t use it. Also I find the dashboards (which are the bread and butter of the reports I distribute) to be faulty in many smaller ways: metrics not written clearly - percentages in columns not making sense to the user, the text elements to dashboards are not working at all through many months (which means no explanation of metrics or anything as I can&#8217;t add text to the report), metrics not aligned in the total column etc.<br />
Other bugs include: next page reports not showing the focus page and email distribution is limited to 255 characters, so some people on the list are cut off - try explain that to an organisation.</p>
<p>I could go on for hours.</p>
<p>One more point: I lack integration of the Omniture tools. For example I don&#8217;t have access in Excel to advanced tools like DataWarehouse or Discover. I would much rather have one tool with more integration.</p>
<p>So while I do feel Omniture is still the leader and the company that can do all the stuff I need right now - I am certainly keeping my eye out for a future replacement..</p>
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		<title>Comment on What to do if your company is failing by Debra Paynter</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/13/what-to-do-if-your-company-is-failing/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra Paynter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/13/what-to-do-if-your-company-is-failing/#comment-205</guid>
		<description>Actually Paul this very thing happened to me in my last position. I was initially hired in as a web analyst by an 'on fire' totally savvy web marketing manager and we were going to do some amazing things for the company... unfortunately the company just wasn't ready or stable enough to know what they had and I ended up spending nearly two years fishing for business users who wanted what I could offer. Boredom and frustration set in to the point where I had to switch jobs or wither as an analyst. Fortunately for me WebTrends was in the market for a skilled analyst and I was able to make a switch to a company where my skills are in definite demand.

I point this out because I really understand the frustration many practitioners in the field are faced with. For me I couldn't wait around for the company to ether get interested in the analytics or the ax to fall. I'm too excited by what I do wither away. 

That's a really great list and I hope if there are others in my position who are now reading it they take to heart your suggestions. I would put a strong emphasis on the tip about networking. Keep your LinkedIn up to date, seek out recommendations, connect with every person you have ever met in business and let them know you are interested in new opportunities.

Sorry about the space I took up but this one hit home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Paul this very thing happened to me in my last position. I was initially hired in as a web analyst by an &#8216;on fire&#8217; totally savvy web marketing manager and we were going to do some amazing things for the company&#8230; unfortunately the company just wasn&#8217;t ready or stable enough to know what they had and I ended up spending nearly two years fishing for business users who wanted what I could offer. Boredom and frustration set in to the point where I had to switch jobs or wither as an analyst. Fortunately for me WebTrends was in the market for a skilled analyst and I was able to make a switch to a company where my skills are in definite demand.</p>
<p>I point this out because I really understand the frustration many practitioners in the field are faced with. For me I couldn&#8217;t wait around for the company to ether get interested in the analytics or the ax to fall. I&#8217;m too excited by what I do wither away. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a really great list and I hope if there are others in my position who are now reading it they take to heart your suggestions. I would put a strong emphasis on the tip about networking. Keep your LinkedIn up to date, seek out recommendations, connect with every person you have ever met in business and let them know you are interested in new opportunities.</p>
<p>Sorry about the space I took up but this one hit home.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What to do if your company is failing by Local Internet Marketing</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/13/what-to-do-if-your-company-is-failing/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Internet Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/13/what-to-do-if-your-company-is-failing/#comment-203</guid>
		<description>I've found that companies with a reactive mindset in regards to their analytic are struggling the most.  These are the companies that only used clickstream data and wanted their analyst to run reports (without analysis) These companies have been able to cruise without any pressure but the economy has changed all that. On the other hand other companies that are forward looking and proactive with their analytics are doing just fine.  

Changing the culture from reactive to proactive won't happen over night.  Many times the company has to die to learn the value of analytics.  Do the best you can with them but looking around and doing work on the side are both good options as discussed in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found that companies with a reactive mindset in regards to their analytic are struggling the most.  These are the companies that only used clickstream data and wanted their analyst to run reports (without analysis) These companies have been able to cruise without any pressure but the economy has changed all that. On the other hand other companies that are forward looking and proactive with their analytics are doing just fine.  </p>
<p>Changing the culture from reactive to proactive won&#8217;t happen over night.  Many times the company has to die to learn the value of analytics.  Do the best you can with them but looking around and doing work on the side are both good options as discussed in the article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting the Business To Listen by Paul Holstein at Web Analytics Demystified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What to do if your company is failing</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/08/27/getting-the-business-to-listen/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Holstein at Web Analytics Demystified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What to do if your company is failing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/08/27/getting-the-business-to-listen/#comment-201</guid>
		<description>[...] xChange conference, I sat in on a session dedicated to this exact subject.  It was called, &#8220;Getting Analysts to Produce Analysis and Getting the Business to Listen.&#8221;  One solution the group came up with was to use what we call an &#8220;Upfront [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] xChange conference, I sat in on a session dedicated to this exact subject.  It was called, &#8220;Getting Analysts to Produce Analysis and Getting the Business to Listen.&#8221;  One solution the group came up with was to use what we call an &#8220;Upfront [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analyzing Layoffs (From a Business Owner&#8217;s Perspective) by Paul Holstein at Web Analytics Demystified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What to do if your company is failing</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/12/analyzing-layoffs-from-a-business-owners-perspective/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Holstein at Web Analytics Demystified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What to do if your company is failing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/12/analyzing-layoffs-from-a-business-owners-perspective/#comment-200</guid>
		<description>[...] I wrote about the reasons that companies hire and fire people.  Basically, if a company can make money on you, they&#8217;ll hire you and if they are losing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I wrote about the reasons that companies hire and fire people.  Basically, if a company can make money on you, they&#8217;ll hire you and if they are losing [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analyzing Layoffs (From a Business Owner&#8217;s Perspective) by Eric T. Peterson</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/12/analyzing-layoffs-from-a-business-owners-perspective/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric T. Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/12/analyzing-layoffs-from-a-business-owners-perspective/#comment-199</guid>
		<description>Paul,

Great post.  I especially like this: "Make money for your organization or at least save them money in an amount greater than your salary.  Make sure the decision makers in your organization know how much money you are making them."

I guess the one thing I wonder about, and this is probably because I hear from a lot of folks who aren't getting the management support they'd like, is what do you do if the existing chain-of-command simply doesn't support the analyst "making money?"

Does that make sense? This is the age old complaint about "we provide insights that go nowhere ..."

Thoughts?

Again, great follow-up to the conversation at my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Great post.  I especially like this: &#8220;Make money for your organization or at least save them money in an amount greater than your salary.  Make sure the decision makers in your organization know how much money you are making them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess the one thing I wonder about, and this is probably because I hear from a lot of folks who aren&#8217;t getting the management support they&#8217;d like, is what do you do if the existing chain-of-command simply doesn&#8217;t support the analyst &#8220;making money?&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that make sense? This is the age old complaint about &#8220;we provide insights that go nowhere &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>Again, great follow-up to the conversation at my blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do we still need Omniture? by Trending Upward &#124; Omniture vs. Google Analytics</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/07/why-do-we-still-need-omniture/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Trending Upward &#124; Omniture vs. Google Analytics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/07/why-do-we-still-need-omniture/#comment-198</guid>
		<description>[...] I&#8217;d share my thoughts. If you don&#8217;t want to read through the entire Yahoo thread, Paul listed a summary of the comments on this blog post. I&#8217;ll give a readers digest version here - focused mainly on features [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I&#8217;d share my thoughts. If you don&#8217;t want to read through the entire Yahoo thread, Paul listed a summary of the comments on this blog post. I&#8217;ll give a readers digest version here - focused mainly on features [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do we still need Omniture? by Jimmy Smith</title>
		<link>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/07/why-do-we-still-need-omniture/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://paul.webanalyticsdemystified.com/2008/11/07/why-do-we-still-need-omniture/#comment-197</guid>
		<description>I think, for the time being, we still need Omniture.  But Omniture better wake up or they're going to find themselves needing a bail out like so many other companies these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, for the time being, we still need Omniture.  But Omniture better wake up or they&#8217;re going to find themselves needing a bail out like so many other companies these days.</p>
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